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I come from a background with a strong culture of "thinking in public". This means openly sharing learning experiences and insights - working with the garage door up. I believe this practice is crucial for promoting growth and making knowledge more accessible to newcomers. In contrast, the West Coast Swing community largely lacks this culture of collaborative inquiry. I believe that adopting aspects of “Thinking in Public” would greatly benefit our community. Photo by Ahmad Odeh What would "thinking in public" look like in the context of WCS? Learn in Public   The aspect of thinking in public that I believe would be most immediately relevant for the majority of readers is "Learning in Public". You can think of it as tracing the trail of learning. After you've learned or understood something - share your understanding - in a format that your past self would have found the most helpful. Use media and words/concepts that make sense to you. Create something that you of 3 months ago wish existed! * write blogs (and post them here!); * ask and answer questions here, on Reddit, etc. Prefer public spaces over walled gardens for this; * make explainer YouTube videos; * draw illustrations; * etc. As far as I can tell this is basically not a thing in WCS community 😿 Why does learning in public benefit community? It's great to have different explanations of concepts - using a variety of mediums and models, as more people can find the explanation that works well for them. Also, there is generally a lack of publicly available well-structured explanatory WCS material out there. Why does learning in public benefit you? Teaching is a great way to learn When I wrote about Lead Projection - it made me clarify the concept in my mind and to expand my understanding of it. I expect to understand it even better as I get feedback from people, who will read through my explanation and point out the ways it's incomplete or confused 🙃. Refining your understanding thro
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I collected stats on how long it takes for dancers to move between WSDC divisions in their primary role. The shortest time between someone's first novice point and first all-star point is 8 months (Jesse Vos). The next fastest is 12 months (Melissa Rutz, Samir Zutshi, JT Anderson). (There's actually someone with 5 months, but it looks like a clerical error—before and after their supposed all-star points, they compete in several novice competitions.) Below is a plot of the distribution of times between first novice point and first all-star point. The dashed line is the median time, and the dotted lines are the 5th, 25th, 75th, and 95th percentile times. Below is a table of summary statistics for the plot, where "25%" means "25th percentile". StatMeanStd. dev.1%5%10%25%50%75%90%95%99%Time (years)5.162.641.331.932.423.254.676.448.5010.2514.03 Though the median time between first novice point and first all-star point is 4.67 years, this does not mean that the typical person can expect to reach all-star 4.67 years after their first novice point: * People who reach all-star are a self-selected group of people who probably devote a lot of energy into dance and who progressed through earlier ranks faster, e.g., their median time between first novice point and first intermediate point is 50% faster than among all people who have reached at least intermediate. * Most people never reach all-star, which isn't captured in the above plot. * People who will reach all-star in the future aren't captured in the plot, which skews the stats downwards (e.g., suppose person A and person B both received their first novice point in 2019 and person A got their first all-star point in 2023 whereas person B will get their first all-star point in 2030—then person A shows up in the above plot but person B does not). * There have been and will continue to be WSDC rule changes (e.g., modifications of the qualifications for each division) and changes in the competition scene—historical d
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I'd appreciate people sharing information about the Pros teaching WCS in San Francisco, Bay Area. It'd be great if you can link to a public profile and testimonials of people working with them if such thing is available! If it doesn't already exist - consider creating a wiki page for the person. Here is a sample format I think can work well Please post each reference as a separate answer, so people can upvote and share additional information.

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Vlad Sitalo edited concept Boogie by the Bay

Room transfer (for room reserved at an event rate)

  • Don't cancel, because it'll no longer go back to the block and the rate will be lost
  • Instead add new person to reservation, then have them switch the billing info to theirs through that same reservation management page, I think (y'all will have to figure out what way makes you most comfortable to do that)
  • Remove yourself from reservation
  • Fin (edited)
  • Why: I've been told the hotel "doesn't like it" when you try to go through them to switch the reservation, hence this quiet way of doing it.
Vlad Sitalo edited concept Boogie by the Bay

WCS convention in SF Bay Area - https://boogiebythebay.com 

Hotel

Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport

Amenities:

Microwave: there is one on the atrium floor

Fridges: rooms have "drink coolers" by default (which don't go as cold as normal fridges). You can request an actual fridge, but there is a limited supply of those

Food

 

Vlad Sitalo edited concept Boogie by the Bay

Competition

Intermediate and above get Spotlight Finals

In Novice you get semi-spotlight (3 couples at a time)

I collected stats on how long it takes for dancers to move between WSDC divisions in their primary role.

The shortest time between someone's first novice point and first all-star point is 8 months (Jesse Vos). The next fastest is 12 months (Melissa Rutz, Samir Zutshi, JT Anderson). (There's actually someone with 5 months, but it looks like a clerical error—before and after their supposed all-star points, they compete in several novice competitions.)

Below is a plot of the distribution of times between first novice point and first all-star point. The dashed line is the median time, and the dotted lines are the 5th, 25th, 75th, and 95th percentile times.

Below is a table of summary statistics for the plot, where "25%" means "25th percentile".

StatMeanStd. dev.1%5%10%25%50%75%90%95%99%
Time (years)5.162.641.331.932.423.254.676.448.5010.2514.03

Though the median time between first novice point and...

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Don't Do This

List of (non-obvious) things that we generally don't do in West Coast Swing. In particular, things that other dances do, but we don't.

  • Don't bounce
    • As West Coast Swing evolved from Lindy Hop, it lost its characteristic bounce. Instead, it acknowledges beat with other forms
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gonna remove that section for now! (you can recover actual text from the history of edits of the page fyi)

RightLeftWrong edited concept Rolling count

Also sometimes referred to as "critical timing".

 The idea behind the rolling count is that between the beats (1-2-3-4...) we can imagine smaller "subcounts" that are typically called "and" and "ah", and associate certain actions with them (see below).

ThisThe counting then becomes 1-and-ah-2-and-ah-3-and-ah-4...

The exact timing of "and" and "ah" depends on the music and the personal style.

Typically, the actions associated with counts (1, 2...), "and" and "ah" are:

  • Count: the foot strikes the floor. The amount of weight that is transferred immediately depends on the personal style, and is usually between zero (no weight transfer) and 50% ("split-weight").
  • "and": transfer of the the rest of weight.
  • "ah": the hip release, the preparation for the next step, possibly a stub, please expand on it!pivot.

Rarely an additional "eh" moment is identified, making the count 1-eh-and-ah-2-eh-and-ah-3... The function assigned to this additional moment varies.

I come from a background with a strong culture of "thinking in public". This means openly sharing learning experiences and insights - working with the garage door up.

I believe this practice is crucial for promoting growth and making knowledge more accessible to newcomers.

In contrast, the West Coast Swing community largely lacks this culture of collaborative inquiry. I believe that adopting aspects of “Thinking in Public” would greatly benefit our community.

Photo by Ahmad Odeh

What would "thinking in public" look like in the context of WCS?

Learn in Public

 

The aspect of thinking in public that I believe would be most immediately relevant for the majority of readers is "Learning in Public". You can think of it as tracing the trail of learning.

After you've learned or understood something - share your understanding - in a format that your past self would have found the most helpful. Use media...

Continue reading
RightLeftWrong edited concept Don't Do This
  • Don't bounce
    • As West Coast Swing evolved from Lindy Hop, it lost its characteristic bounce. Instead, it acknowledges beat with other forms of pulsing: leg extension, movement speed, etc.
  • Don't raise hands above elbows
    • In West Coast Swing, the connection point is kept low, generally by allowing hands to fall down with the gravity. Hands above elbows is a sign of artificially and unnecessarily holding them up.
  • Don't autostart on 1 (as a follower)
  • Don't expect the follower to go on 1 (as a leader)